Paper patched 38-55 winchester

These molds are designed to fit lee six cavity handles. Mass produced bullet molds are designed with very conservative, minimal dimensions north of the crimp groove, so that they will chamber in the great variety of firearms out there. Disadvantages became evident as loadings shifted to smokeless powder in the late. Winchester continued to use the round in various rifles until about 1940, and also used it in a few commemorative editions of rifles. You may choose from these designs, use one of these as a basis and specify modifications, or submit a completely custom drawing either electronically or by regular mail.

My 375 big bore winchester and marlin using 3855 brass. This is a rare paper patch mold for the winchester model 1885 hi wall single shot rifle in. Do not paper patch but the 200 yards is shot with sticks or not and the steel does not stand a chance. I feed paper patch bullets through tubular magazines in leveraction rifles chambered for the 307 and 356 winchester cartridges along with the 4570. Then i am wondering about a 1892 1893 that also is fat bored. Well after waiting 5 months for my winchester model 94 3030 to get. Winchester 3030 short range factory bullet 18961924. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. The label is marked as made for the ballard rifle by the winchester repeating arms co.

This was the paper patched version for ballard rifles, that became the 3855 winchester for winchester and other lever action rifles. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. The rifle shot very poorly with grease grove bullets, and my friend suggested paper patched. We go into some detail on how to load for some of the older black powder rifle calibers such as the. No more than with a lighter 3855 with similar wt bullets. A cast bullet is made by allowing molten metal to solidify in a mold. Starting a journey, paper patch 3855 marlin owners.

No more than with a lighter 38 55 with similar wt bullets. It was later offered by winchester in its model 1894. The raised areas of the rifling are called lands, which make contact with the projectile for small arms usage, called a bullet, imparting spin around an axis corresponding to the orientation of the weapon. I have two boxes of oliver winchester commemorative ammo in 3855. For sale are two boxes of winchester legendary frontiersmen ammo in 3855 caliber. Contents are all tinjacketed soft points correctly headstamped wraco 38 55 w. Feb 28, 2012 we shoot 100 and 200 yards ar pha on the 5th sunday. If anyone has experiences with 3855 paper patch, i would. Precision cnc lathe bored custom bullet casting molds. However the 38 55 was one of the old cartridge that designed for a purpose and that was accurate target shooting. Reflecting on 30 years of paper patching for lever guns. This was the paper patched version for ballard rifles, that became the 38 55 winchester for winchester and other lever action rifles.

His level two loads marlin 1893winchester 94 are lyman 375248 and 3032 gr imr 3031 his level three loads highwall, etc are lyman 375248 and 3334gr imr 3031 i shoot a uberti highwall with a. Even in the old days the 3855 didnt hold 55 grains of black unless yo loaded like buckshot said. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. I have a box of winchester 38 55 from the late 40s and that brass is 2. Winchester continued to use the round in various rifles until about 1940, and also. As new designs are ordered, they are numbered and added here. Loading with correct 3855 winchester cases 3855 rifle by m. It had very shallow rifling and a very oversize throat. Paper patched bullet design software is available from corbin, as well as software that calculates multiple density, multipart bullet weights and volumes, calculates bullet air resistance and bc, and helps you determine the bullet diameter for a given rifling depth and paper thickness. Something that you can also tinker with is paper patching your loads.

They are actually in better condition box, but equally nice bullets and paper. Feb 24, 2015 we go into some detail on how to load for some of the older black powder rifle calibers such as the. Swaging, rather than casting, became a preferred manufacturing technique during the 19th century industrial revolution. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. A bit of lube on the patch, something that wont soak thru the patch. Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold. Personally, i use the thickest paper i have available and purchase 100% bond paper by the sheet from a local stationer. A good bell on the case mouth to start the patched bullet wo tearing the patch. Winchester continued to use the round in various rifles until about 1940, and also used it in a few. Using winchester 3855 brass, i cannot load an appropriate diameter gg bullet and have it fit in the chamber. There are 20 cartridges in each box, these were manufactured in 1979 and are in very good conditi. The round name is derived from its approximately 38caliber projectile in reality its a. This is the very first loading of this round with commercial sport. Wolfe publishing printed a special issue several years ago just on lever guns and loads that is very informative.

Choose a design from our catalog or submit your own custom design. At the velocities you are able to realistically achieve, cast bullets are just fine. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, with a barrel that has a helical groove or pattern of grooves rifling cut into the barrel walls. His level two loads marlin 1893 winchester 94 are lyman 375248 and 3032 gr imr 3031 his level three loads highwall, etc are lyman 375248 and 3334gr imr 3031 i shoot a uberti highwall with a. Very good accuracy has been obtained with paperpatched bullets, but the assembly.

Personally havent done it, and my 38 55 is a m93 marlin. Later, winchester strengthened this versatile case and used it for their. Many thanks to starline for offering current production 38 55 win. I friend who was a sharps collector and cast bullet shooter told me the shallow rifling was actually used in originals for paper patched bullet. When used in front of a black powder charge, paper. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. Mar 22, 2015 lube grooved bullet on left paper patched without the paper on the right one of the issues involved with paper patching is the bullet needs to fit the bore nearly perfectly for best results. The ballistic performances based off one grain type. Again, i find it a pussycat to shoot in my just under max legal weight 4065.

However the 3855 was one of the old cartridge that designed for a purpose and that was accurate target shooting. This expanding catalog contains designs that are already on file. It still has its original tang sight, which is what ive been using for all this shooting. I can hold minute of ram at 500 meters and have taken buffalo with paper patched bullets. Have another project to tackle on some of those rainy illinois days. You can try paper patched bullets in your rifle or try very soft bullets and see if they will bump up. This is a full 2 piece box of 20 rounds of winchester. Nov 21, 2005 so, with your paper, plan on a cast bullet diameter that would give you a. Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer. Winchester metal patched 110 grain super speed bullets for 30 w. We shoot 100 and 200 yards ar pha on the 5th sunday.

The 3855 winchester center fire wcf is a unique example among metallic cartridges through almost 125 years of production, until quite recently, 3855 cases had evidently never been made correctly for use with conventional bullets. It solved my problem until i get around to opening my chamber or get rid of the rifle. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting. In that era, paperpatched bullets were the most accurate design known for cartridge loading. Box of 25 each winchester 3855 primed shells unopened, 6 boxes 25 each of paper patched 38 cal 255 gr target bullets. Loading with correct 3855 winchester cases 3855 rifle. The short brass wont cause problems with the jacketed bullets, and if that is an original chamber it likely wont cause much grief with cast bullets, but do be advised that chamber was meant for paper patch.

One is marked jm marlin and is paper patched bullets for the. For those who might want a faster load, i tried 19 grains of 5744 with a standard winchester rifle primer which chronographed at 1,452 fps. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. The round was produced and designed by the now defunct ballard rifle and cartridge company, and after they were defunct, winchester adopted production of the cartridge. You would use the skinnier bullet for the rapid fire of the herd shots and the thicker bullet in a regular silhouette shoot when you can run a bore pig and dry patch down the bore. Roberts and the schuetzen rifle edited by gerald kelver.

In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. The 375 winchester was a way of modernizing the 3855 and offers an indication of a 3855 loaded to 3030 pressures. What works and why the standard modernrifle approach is to apply a paper patch to a bullet core of ascast or slightly smaller diameter, to dry. I have a couple articles one titled shooting the old ones. It was used by marlin firearms from 1875 on for various singleshot target rifles and their 1893 lever action rifle.

Documented special order winchester model 1885 high wall rifle. I have a box of winchester 3855 from the late 40s and that brass is 2. Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques. Causes them trouble when they load cast bullets big enough for the bore. Collectable rifles are best left to the less hot loads but a modern 336 action will wear out no faster with the warmer 3855 loads than with 3030 loads. Personally havent done it, and my 3855 is a m93 marlin. Whilst trying to sort out how to feed the rifle, one thing that i tried was my pp lyman 366408 bullet patched up to. Ive used the short cases but prefer the longer cases. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. This means you need to carefully measure the bore of your rifle and then have a custom mold made by one of the many mold makers.

Cant wait to try out my 3855 winchester 1894 vintage takedown posted on 7232015 by jake c these guys are great i placed a last minute order for this hard to find ammunition. I load paper patched bullets in larger calibre rifles 308, 3006, 3855. Im hoping for a good amount of you folks who have dedicated your time to help the new folks to the paper patched bullet. Alternatively, if you care to be into paper patched bullets i have a 380 gr ddepp bullet that also shoots very well in 406516 twist. Found a good load for my 3855 winchester shooting and. It was used bymarlin firearms from 1875 on for various singleshot target rifles and their 1893 lever action rifle. Contents are all tinjacketed soft points correctly headstamped wraco 3855 w. You used a bore size paper patch bullet and it bumped up to fill the grooves when you touched off the round. Rcbs case lube is fine, its wax based, a little dab will do. I drew up a design and had tom at accurate cut a block for the bore size of my rifle.